Videos from 2019 Rebol Conference in Philadelphia
Videos from Philadelphia are now online:
https://2019.reb4.me/talks
I think it's some pretty impressive stuff. And it actually only scratches the surface of what's going on.
Some notes on 2020 direction are on the forum:
https://forum.rebol.info/t/foresight-in-2020-and-2019-retrospective/1258
posted by: Fork 20-Feb-2020/18:48:42-8:00
This is fantastic. Thank you so much for the update, and for all the work you've accomplished. Last year I invested heavily in my paramotor business, in a new TV show production, and in Rockfactory, so have been distracted from everything that's gotten done. I need to spend time actually working with some of these new tools. I'm most interested in the web assembly port and the javascript bridge. Although it's probably not a popular opinion, I still think it would be a huge benefit to get /view and some GUI dialect ported, so that canvas (or webGL) could be used as the renderer. That would basically eliminate the need for JS in the browser. I'd still love to pay someone to do that work...
posted by: Nick 27-Feb-2020/20:36:58-8:00
Hi Nick, glad to see you're still enthusiastic...!
> Although it's probably not a popular
> opinion, I still think it would be a
> huge benefit to get /view and some
> GUI dialect ported
Some people in the webassembly scene have successfully built various C UIs:
http://floooh.github.io/oryol-samples/wasm/TurboBadgerDemo.html
Hence that kind of a "canvas" is *possible*...and directly interfacing with the C without any HTML rigmarole involved. But I actually think it would be better to go with a JavaScript-based UI toolkit.
> That would basically eliminate the need for JS
> in the browser.
When "userspace" means writing entire applications in Rebol, then I don't think it matters in the near term if there's JavaScript under the hood or not. It's just an implementation detail, and you get something that has been tuned to adapt to browser resizing--and work on mobile.
(What keeps coming up in conversation is "Vue.js" - though I honestly don't know that much about it.)
> I'd still love to pay someone to do that work...
One other benefit of having much of the actual GUI implementation coming from a well-known JavaScript toolkit is that the talent pool of JS coders is larger!
Then, if you show them Rebol2 and some sample VID apps you want to see working compatibly in the browser, they might be willing to take it on. And at least you'd have a spec of what you expect to work.
So if you can draw up some concrete numbers of "If I had X it would be worth $Y" then maybe we could keep an eye out and solicit people? It's just hard when it's such a potentially large order and no clear amount...
posted by: Fork 1-Mar-2020/15:10:20-8:00
Nick, I presume that you're basically wanting to build form based apps in VID using the Wasm build of Rebol. If so, how much $$ can you commit to this? BTW, I recall people were willing to plonk down $10k to open source rebol at one stage.
posted by: Graham 1-Mar-2020/15:48:28-8:00
Thank you for the videos. Bit over my head of course but fun to watch.
posted by: Steven White 3-Mar-2020/19:00:36-8:00
Cyphre and I were originally discussing something in the ballpark of $4500 to get R3/View and GUI ported to the browser. I don't remember what I paid for the original Android port, but think it was somewhere around $3k, so around $7500 total for both platforms. Of course, Richard had particular expertise and a personal interest in performing that work. He was able to perform the entire Android port, along with writing some demo apps, in about 15 days, if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if he was otherwise employed during that period, but either way, I understand that his time was a bargain.
I expect that paying normal commercial rates for this work could likely skyrocket. Perhaps I can find a college student who sees some benefit in performing the port...
posted by: Nick 10-Mar-2020/10:23:11-7:00
I'd initially want to keep the total investment to less than $10k, but I'd need at least some basic features found in R2 (or modern replacements), beyond just basic language and GUI - e.i., perhaps network, database, filesystem, sound, etc. - at least the fundamentals required for simple CRUD capability, for example (however that capability is implemented). CRUD is still my basic fundamental requirement.
posted by: Nick 10-Mar-2020/10:32:22-7:00
Well, the thing is all of that is server side except sound which is rendered by the browser. Server side you would the wasm can make calls to the API you develop for your server application. So, it sounds like all you need is a GUI to create a JS forms. The forms can interact with the wasm and then make network calls via the main thread to your API. The rebol server can make a database call via odbc or unixodbc, or, even mysql if that is currently working - which I haven't tested.
posted by: Graham 12-Mar-2020/22:29:13-7:00
Graham,
20 years ago we had a little power tool that weighed less than 1/2 megabyte, didn't require installation, and ran on every common OS. Built-in, it had everything needed to not only quickly write some productivity-enhancing file and email management scripts, but to create a wide variety of powerful apps. I used it as a customizable computing interface daily, to deal with all the little data management tasks in my life and businesses. It was often simpler to write one-off scripts than to download, try, and implement disparate third party utility applications of all sorts. It proved to also be a powerful development environment that allowed me to create custom software that stood up to heavy commercial use. I was able to iterate quickly in the development process, make changes to live code while on the job, without complicated installations on special machines that were treated as a separate development environment, etc. Not just Rebol's uniquely productive language, but the simplicity of the entire package, with all it's carefully put together features, in a tiny enough package, requiring no other dependencies - the entire design and implementation of even a complicated app able to be maintained in a mental model and implementation routine which could be easily handled in a single person's spare - are what made Rebol useful. It was the overall package of tremendously powerful features, all implemented and integrated so simply - not just a malleable and concise language, but a complete set of tools able to be managed and maintained without the need to interact with third-party toolsets, data models and language syntax (but still able to interact with common data sources), etc., which is what made Rebol productive. That ethos, Carl's successfully executed solution (not 100% perfect, but still a gloriously productive accomplishment), seems to have disappeared. There are plenty of other capable development solutions out there, but they're all a mess to work with and integrate. Just using other tools is the opposite of what drew me to Rebol.
posted by: Nick 14-Mar-2020/9:32:19-7:00
It sounds like what you need is a desktop GUI for ren-c. Brian has been hostile to that idea for a long long time but who knows? Maybe if enough voices say that's what they want he might reconsider. In the meantime Arnold is working on GTK for Ren-c.
posted by: Graham 14-Mar-2020/21:07:43-7:00
At this point, mobile is more pervasive than desktop.
posted by: Nick 15-Mar-2020/8:15:49-7:00
Nick, did you try Giulio's rebol app on Android? My chess demo?
posted by: Graham 16-Mar-2020/19:26:24-7:00
The Android port by Richard S. has been really useful for me, for utility apps, but there isn't a good way to package APKs for distribution, and many of the key features of R2 aren't available, so for my purposes, it's only been useful for little in house tools.
My most common needs these days typically have to do with setting up forms for data collection on little web sites, so CGI scripts on shared hosting works ok. It would be phenomenal if I could just run full apps on a web page, and connect to a server - those apps could then run on mobile devices too without any other publication.
posted by: Nick 4-Apr-2020/16:42:38-7:00
Nick -
I respect what you've done, you are a solid guy, and you've stuck to your guns.
I respect what Carl did, it was a heavy dose of philosophy for people who weren't necessarily ready to hear the ramifications of what he put forth.
But let's just be honest. I'm technically the boss around here. You can't be bothered to make a website that has a persistent URL that when you try to link to it takes you to the post that you were pasting. You haven't open sourced your thing, you'd rather see us all die than see any actual technical advancement. Your forum is an embarrassment to the idea that Rebol is anything at all.
You are a clown and your site sucks. So you think $10k (if half-heartedly offered in the first place) is going to move a needle.
Nah. You are a half wit strip mall running loony. And I have no interest. But maybe someone will take you up on it. Graham seems to take you seriously, but that's his business, no one else does.
I literally kind of choke on my beer while I look at your Google ad-sense for your sad little joke of a site. The idea that I would even talk to you is kind of funny.
Nick, you're a joke. Shine on, you crazy diamond. If delusion is your bag, go work on Red, they seem more your speed.
In the meantime, I'm going to do great work.
posted by: Fork 12-Apr-2020/16:41:56-7:00
Nick -
I respect what you've done, you are a solid guy, and you've stuck to your guns.
I respect what Carl did, it was a heavy dose of philosophy for people who weren't necessarily ready to hear the ramifications of what he put forth.
But let's just be honest. I'm technically the boss around here. You can't be bothered to make a website that has a persistent URL that when you try to link to it takes you to the post that you were pasting. You haven't open sourced your thing, you'd rather see us all die than see any actual technical advancement. Your forum is an embarrassment to the idea that Rebol is anything at all.
You are a clown and your site sucks. So you think $10k (if half-heartedly offered in the first place) is going to move a needle.
Nah. You are a half wit strip mall running loony. And I have no interest. But maybe someone will take you up on it. Graham seems to take you seriously, but that's his business, no one else does.
I literally kind of choke on my beer while I look at your Google ad-sense for your sad little joke of a site. The idea that I would even talk to you is kind of funny.
Nick, you're a joke. Shine on, you crazy diamond. If delusion is your bag, go work on Red, they seem more your speed.
In the meantime, I'm going to do great work.
posted by: Fork 12-Apr-2020/16:41:59-7:00
Nick,
I've shown the message to others who say I was kind of harsh.
But honestly, you really do suck. You are a blight on software and on development, and your deep level of ignorance is just... oh my god. I can't even imagine.
The fact that Graham indulges you is.. oh my. Oh lord. Oh god.
Please, please go take your $10k and give it to Red, because they are the blight on software you represent. I couldn't make a worse website than yours if I tried.
Well I guess I could put a few more ads on it.
posted by: Fork 12-Apr-2020/17:31:18-7:00
I realize that not only do you suck, but your validation of who says anything sucks.
Reversing words from the interpreter, on the pages you can't permalink, oh my god. You are such a basket case.
But let me be clear. Not only do you not know jack shit about software--in the small or large--and your site sucks and your guitar playing sucks but...
Learn a bit about elliptic curves. I think the reason reality has phased idiots like you out is because YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic-curve_cryptography
Nick, you are a literal fucking moron. Dinosaurs like you should die in the strip malls you propagate. You don't know anything about code, your attention span is so short you couldn't absorb a single point.
Moron. Go hang out with Red. Those are your peeps.
Arrested development.
posted by: For 12-Apr-2020/18:25:47-7:00
Hey Nick.
I want you to read between the lines.
One line is you are a piece of garbage. You simply don't care.
$10k? Do you think that moves anyone's needle. Nah. Come on strip mall guitar guy. You can choke on your little bills as long as they print 'em.
Software is a deep topic, and it's deep and you never care about it. You can't read the code. You like practically worship Carl. It's not his fault you're stupid. You just are.
But if you cared enough to know how ignorant you were, you might learn something. But... but...
You'll never learn anything.
Unless you start caring. But you never will. You are as dumb as all the others. KCIN TOIDI.
Yeah, you are a moron.
posted by: Fork 12-Apr-2020/18:45:34-7:00
I suppose if it's not already apparent, Nick is now in the category of war declaration. You can't fix stupid. I am not going to talk to anyone that dump. And $10k is chump change. Fucking moron.
He needs to go talk to Red with the other people who can't read, can't see, can't think and just want to be blind. He's too dumb to read. He belongs with Red, that's where we put the bozos.
posted by: Fork 12-Apr-2020/18:51:04-7:00
Nick!
You must be doing something right to be hf's latest punch bag.
It's like being savaged by a dead sheep.
posted by: Rebolonian 13-Apr-2020/5:22:45-7:00
Dead sheep?
https://forum.rebol.info/t/forward-to-multiple-return-values-and-return-value-forwarding/1271/2?u=hostilefork
Catherine Wheel has a song. It's rather appropriate for you guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46QBXW1jZj4
If you can miss this much.
If you can miss this much...
posted by: Fork 13-Apr-2020/6:09:35-7:00
I do think that if you read between the lines, here, what do you see?
A website that's a piece o crap. Been a piece of crap for a long time.
A guy who paid Cyphre money for an Android port which was never open sourced. He was fleeced because he's too dumb to actually set any terms for work.
And a guy who's too busy to ever fix this piece of crap site and can't be bothered to watch my brilliant video editing.
We are DONE with Nick. It's over. Let's go and not give him the attention over the ten thousand dollars he doesn't have.
posted by: Fork 13-Apr-2020/6:17:31-7:00
This sounds like Pierre Johnson of the mailing list days.
I am a beginner so my opinion does not count...but...
I like Nick's web site because it is simple and I get good answers to questions there.
Personal attacks seem unproductive and unprofessional.
posted by: Steven White 13-Apr-2020/9:32:29-7:00
Steven, you're another underachiever. How many years of not getting good is going to serve you?
What's *your* end game?
You always talk about how bad a programmer you are. Why? Why don't you get good? It's not like it's hard to get good. Do you thrive on inadequacy and insulting yourself?
Sometimes it seems like it.
posted by: Fork 13-Apr-2020/10:49:15-7:00
I lashed out at Nick because I'm done.
This website is a testament to his nature of underachievement.
I'm angry at Graham--a medical professional--even pretending to chase his ostensible donation when he can't be bothered to watch the conference videos.
Nick is sad. This site is sad. Goodbye, Nick.
posted by: Fork 13-Apr-2020/10:59:03-7:00
Y'know, there's something about old stoner guitar players who inherited strip malls that kind of makes me think a bit...
...what have you done lately?
Not much, Nick. You can't do anything. Your site is horrible. In the meantime, I move mountains. And no, I don't need your not-even-$10k. I am just fine.
Underachievement lifestyle, keep doin' it, bro.
posted by: Fork 13-Apr-2020/11:01:14-7:00
Thank you. I appreciate an outside assessment and I am not offended.
posted by: Steven White 13-Apr-2020/11:01:34-7:00
What a bizarre outburst. I've left this site available for anyone who wants to read through it historically, unchanged, because it's simply not active anymore. Of course, if anyone wants to communicate with me here, I still see what's going on, but this site is basically just not being used anymore, and I haven't really been involved in Rebol for a long time. There's no reason to be upset by any of that. I'm glad to see that other Rebol oriented projects have moved on, but I'm just not a part of any of them at this point. If I could help see a useful port of Rebol on new platforms come to be, I'd still love to see that happen, but I don't expect it. I'm not commercially involved in Rebol except just to occasionally maintain a few small client projects from the past. I only ever involved myself in the Rebol community because I enjoyed the interaction, and I was able to help people when they asked questions. This site was just a little script that I wrote as a tutorial example to demonstrate a simple topic. I ended up answering a lot of questions for people here, freely in my spare time, and sharing the joy and productive value that I had using Rebol. If you're offended by that somehow, then you've got issues which have nothing to do with software development. It's sad to see someone so deeply distressed, but I'm sorry, I can't help you work out your personal emotional demons. Feel free to vent here, but unfortunately, it won't have much effect in terms of motivating me to makes changes to an old web site. I currently have other businesses which have been running for many years, and new business and personal projects which have taken time away from software development (although I am enjoying learning how to create WebVR projects with A-Frame - that's been an enjoyable hobby :). Good luck with your commercial and personal interests.
posted by: Nick 13-Apr-2020/22:36:16-7:00
BTW, I have played more than 3500 concerts as a professional guitarist, have a master's degree in music, and wrote the accredited curriculum and required textbook for one the top music schools in the world, and I've put together programs for several other schools, as well as a private business which has employed dozens of successful musicians over the past 16 years, and appeared on the front page of the New York Times. My business partner for the private business was a famous musician who sold more than 50 million albums, and many of my students, who grew up studying with me and taking part in the hundreds of recitals and events which I've produced, have gone on to become extremely successful commercially. Your personal aesthetic musical interests are subjective, but without reservation, I can hold my own in any professional performing or recording situation, with performers of any level of expertise, and perhaps most importantly, I've made thousands of good friends over the years while teaching and performing. I've played with numerous well-known musicians, and have been a member of a Grammy award-winning group... and that's just a quick skimming overview of a few things I've been involved in, in music. What exactly is your experience, accomplishment, and expertise in that field? ...since you brought it up :)
posted by: Nick 13-Apr-2020/23:02:19-7:00
Also, I'm not a stoner, nor have I inherited a strip mall... what an oddly specific curiosity of a random criticism. Bravo!
That was fun, maybe we can get some nice therapeutic emotional release happening on this old site.
posted by: Nick 13-Apr-2020/23:32:31-7:00
Nick - we, the old time rebollers know, who you are, what you did, what your attitude is and thanks for that, dear old friend :-) HS simply seems to have a bad day and his behaviour here is hardly acceptable in a normal civilised discussion terms.
Btw - what technologies are you using nowadays, if any? And - feel free to visit us on the Red side of the things some day, just for an amusement. Or even Altme is still active, though it feels like visiting an empty room after the zombie appocalypse :-)
posted by: -pekr- 14-Apr-2020/4:49:24-7:00
Hi Pekr! It's great to know that there's still an active community, and I'd love to get involved at some point again in the future. Last year, I became the East Coast distributor for the largest paramotor manufacturer in the US, and as a part of that endeavor, I opened a new 30 acre training facility in NJ. Also, as part of that business direction, I produced a TV show about powered paragliding, which we're in the process of selling. Together with running Rockfactory, teaching, and still performing occasionally,nthere just hasn't been much time left for software development work :( Red will be the first I head as soon as these projects mature, and I can turn my interests back to writing code. I hope that will be soon!
posted by: Nick 14-Apr-2020/16:34:48-7:00
He... I wanted to read a book this evening.. but this emotional flood was better ;-)
posted by: Oldes 14-Apr-2020/18:27:56-7:00
Oldes! Nice to see you :)
Maybe we should all talk about politics now.
posted by: Nick 14-Apr-2020/20:26:18-7:00
Oldes! Nice to see you :)
Maybe we should all talk about politics now.
posted by: Nick 14-Apr-2020/20:26:21-7:00
Just another note of support from an old friend and Reboler Nick. Glad you're still kickin'. Go down swingin', like The Rainmakers.
posted by: greggirwin 14-Apr-2020/20:39:02-7:00
Hello Nick!
There's an old adage that no one ever put a statue up for a critic.
Thanks for all the good work you've contributed to the Rebol community - it is such appreciated.
posted by: Sunanda 15-Apr-2020/1:56:28-7:00
@Nick, You don't have anything to prove to anybody. You have already achieved a lot through your various business and professional endeavors. I learnt a lot from the information on your site.
posted by: what me know? 15-Apr-2020/21:29:58-7:00
Well, I had the yearly or so look what's going on, and I see not much has changed.
It has nothing to do with you, Nick, all the people coming out with words of support to you are well deserved.
posted by: Kaj 20-Apr-2020/11:13:04-7:00
@Nick, take a look at Dart language. It has the ability to run on many OS + Android + IOS and browser app as well. It seems easy to learn and use. It is already mature and also since it is from Google, you're sure it will always be kept up to date unlike Rebol(dying/dead) or Red( production/features ready when???).
posted by: what me know? 25-Apr-2020/10:22:59-7:00
It's great to hear from everyone, what a fantastic community.
posted by: Nick 30-Apr-2020/16:58:19-7:00
Lots of people learnt about Rebol by reading the docs & websites written by Nick.
And I remember he was chosen as a most valuable member of the community in past :)
Thanks for all what you've done already!
posted by: Endo 1-May-2020/18:09:32-7:00
Since the postings above indicate that rebolforum is not active anymore, I thought I should add a note of support, lest Nick get discouraged and press the "delete" key on the whole thing.
I feel like I am in the position of being smart enough to program my own computer but not smart enough to understand the deeper workings of hardware and software. (The last computer I came close to understanding was the Burroughs 4700.) If that is true, then I must accept that reality as what I have to work with. For me then, REBOL offers exactly what I need, clear abstraction and clean expression (as Carl said in one of his blog posts) in a tool that I can use for what I want to accomplish. All the other complexity is well hidden below the layer of REBOL and I can happily ignore it.
As for rebolforum, it also offers exactly what I need. I need a place where I can ask a question, get an answer, and have the answer persist so I can look it up again a year later when I have forgotten that I asked. Ornamentation is irrelevant. A designer might look at it and say how ugly, it's just plain text. I would say, how perfect, it's just plain text. If one wanted to sling adjectives at it, one could try "brutalist" and put Nick in the company of some famous architects.
So Nick, you did a good job. Thank you.
Off topic, a couple years ago I was part of a project to do validating of lots of data between an old Oracle database and new SQL Server database, and had to crank out several hundred little comparison programs. I used REBOL. At the end of the year, on my annual review, I got a comment about how that project would not have gone as well as is did without me being able to produce those comparisons so quickly. The praise came with a small financial bonus. So financial reward came from being able to use REBOL, and being able to use REBOL came in part from reading your Big Book. I suppose I should have given you a cut but I spent it. Also of note, I relayed that little story to Carl through an actual greeting card, hand-written, hand-delivered by government courier (USPS). I though he might appreciate the story, and be motivated to update R2. No such luck.
posted by: Steven White 6-May-2020/14:11:37-7:00
Web server hosting for this and all my other sites is prepaid for the next 5 years, and I don't expect to shut them down at any point after that. I'm glad to hear they provided some help :)
posted by: Nick 8-May-2020/10:22:19-7:00
Nick, I just happened to be looking looking at some old scripts and came across one of yours. Thanks for all the effort you put into supporting Rebol and Red. As a fellow guitarist, appreciate you there too. You are a remarkable and rare person for sure. Look forward to seeing you around Redland.
posted by: James_Nak 24-May-2020/17:42:21-7:00
I'm genuinely touched by the kindness, and the time taken to post some friendly positive thoughts here. Thank you all, your responses are meaningful and greatly appreciated :) I'm looking forward to a time when I'm not overwhelmed by other projects, can't wait to see where this community goes!
posted by: Nick 26-May-2020/13:39:36-7:00
Nick, I'm really sorry, and I really owe you an apology.
As you say--yeah, bizarre--but I live a bizarre life. I just hit a boundary of trying to write a response and suspecting you of...a scam, I guess. I do not take anything at face value.
Bear in mind I'm the one to get in the car to see the Rebol cafe in person, then there's the "Forth Projects". Who calls your restaurant "Forth Projects"? Well I go try and figure out who they are and take their business cards. Might be useful to know?
I really do live a pretty hard life and it is sincere, I am sincere:
http://realityhandbook.org/lucid-dream/beetron-and-relief/
And part of me says I shouldn't take it out on random Internet people, but part of me says I should. Part of me says "well you need to speak up, else, how do you know anything?"
Especially in the age of Coronavirus, I think it's important to question The Matrix, or what not.
Given your nice persona, I shouldn't have snapped at you and flipped out like I did. You were gracious and questioning. And... well, I'm like you, at least as lazy websites go. I use simple captchas to ask if anyone is interested enough. A kind of bait. In this case: if it was a test, you passed it.
But...what I painfully contemplated is that there's not really a game we are able to play together. As you say: this is just an archive. I tried to play ith you because maybe I saw it differently, I can get emotional. But like you say: it's just a mausoleum. I should leave the souls at rest.
Perhaps it's a little piece in the broad tapestry of poor souls saying "I'm here, kind of!" I was frustrated and looking for a way to say "No thanks, Nick, let's part ways, I'm tired of your mausoleum." But maybe it was just a technical parting? Maybe we'd enjoy guitarring together. In that space, I am pretty sure you'd have a lot to teach me.
Poor me, soloing on a piano:
http://metaeducation.com/media/music/montage.mp3
Again: I'm really sorry. I over-react because I've found the Rebol audience so addicted to Carl or blindly following of Nenad I get in a mood where I treat everyone the same. It bends my mind, the whole thing has. It's deep and weird and emotional.
But everyone isn't the same, they're different. I'm just working out my mental problems in a public forum. I hope for your forgiveness. But I don't feel like coming back to this forum until you fix it and take off the ads.
Also it would be nice if you actually watched the videos, because I've watched yours and you don't really edit.
Love,
The HF (last message)
posted by: F0rk 28-May-2020/5:02:50-7:00
Unfortunately Rebol is already dead. Red will not live long either. they are still working on 32 bit architecture when everyone is already on 64 bit. I even suspect Vlang.io, which started about 2 years ago, with only 1 developer, will get to a 64 bit version 1.0 faster.
posted by: Dennis 30-May-2020/16:12:18-7:00
All good Fork :) You're a talented guy with deep experience and skill. I'm glad that you're pushing to make progress with Rebol. Maybe we'll get a chance to jam a bit in the future. I did watch a huge chunk of the videos when they first come out, I do appreciate your work on them!
posted by: Nick 3-Jun-2020/22:25:34-7:00
Ouch that was harsh fork. I think you missed the talk where you Mother tells you,"Sometimes when you can't say something good it's best to say nothing at all".
Now I'm not saying this is true for technical issues which can be argued without personal attacks, usually, but the above was uncalled for.
I could be wrong but suspect that fork is mad because he's not getting any love for the massive amount of work he has done. I'm not qualified to really judge but reading what he said he has done it seems impressive to me but...he doesn't feel GUI's are important. And they're not, to him. But to everyone else they are the thing they see. It how they use computers(hence the lack of love). I believe GUI's are one of the single most important computer advances. I've programmed z80 processors in hexadecimal and...hated it. DOS sucked. People have evolved for millions of years to use their eyes to take in complicated data. Sure the South Americans communicated in knots on strings but nothing can beat someone pointing and saying,,"ugg, go over there". Our brain are just built that way.
Nick I'm ever, ever so grateful for your forum, (it's just fine as it displays text which is the main point), and the help you've given even when I've asked some, let's say, not so smart questions.
Your quick, and not so quick longer, guides are a testament to your ability to bridge the gap between a new user and deep technical information. That of course is the true test of someone's ability. To explain the difficult to the not so enlightened is a gift few have. It's an art. Many technically adept can talk to machines but are flummoxed when talking to humans.You've pulled it off magnificently. I'm most appreciative of the work and wisdom you have given us. Thank you very much and may you be healthy, happy and sleep like a baby with pleasant dreams of buxom gals, milk and honey.
posted by: Sam the Truck 24-Jul-2020/16:16:36-7:00
I shouldn't have said what I did about Fork. It's none of my business and after reading it again it seems Fork is having some problems that are, again, none of my business. I wish I could take it back. It was a hasty comment that I didn't think deeply enough about before I wrote it.
posted by: Sam the Truck 1-Aug-2020/16:13:40-7:00
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